Johnny Yuma wrote:

Themob wrote:

If luke wins 6-7 games next year he will be given 24 months maybe.   

There, in a nutshell, is the future....and the past.

Yep. I wonder how many embarrassing losses he'll deliver for us next season again? 6 or 7 wins means only 2 SEC wins. Bjork should be tarred and feathered for paying that fast ass over 3 million/year. 

it is today's reality.  No matter who is the coach.  we have been kicked in the nutz while the SEC held our arms back and let the ncaa get it all they wanted.  So don't get mad at any mythical GOB network thinking they are molesting themselves over the thought of 6 win seasons. no one wants that crap.  If you all think we are sitting in the same pecking order we were in post sugar bowl, there really is no objective conversation to be had. there is very little chance anyone that would have come in and made any positive difference.  We would have been set back even further with a coaching change.  

my point if you would take the emotional filters off of this comment would be that we would not have been in any better shape had luke been let go.  We would have been in a worse position right fruuukin now if we were still in a coaching search.  we could have lost people like little or matthews who are staying because of matt.   We would have been looking for new oc and dc and most all new position coaches.  once we did hire a coach, we would have been more than likely in january with limited ability to go on the road or bring recruits in because of our ncaa sanctions.  

good lord people, this has jack shit to do with any GOB bullshit

Last edited by Themob (12/08/2017 12:21 pm)

Bs on Little.  He’s got one season before he goes pro and he wasnt going to move schools for that or any other coach.  He was going to be here all along. 
Please stop with “player x” stayed because of Luke.  Horse shit.  There isn’t a kid on our team that is leaving or staying because of Matt F’ing Luke.   Give me a break. 
All of the sitting HC’s that have been mentioned as showing interest would have easily built their staff.  Unlike our cluster fuck of a staff and admin these guys actually have their staffs together and have feelers out to other coaches that are ready to join them when they go.  See what Freeze has been doing in the background?  He doesn’t have near the network of coaches as the ones we were entertaining do and he already has a staff ready to join him for his next gig and he’s also been reaching out to players.  That folks is how real coaches work the back channels.  At Ole Miss we sit on our collective assses while the major players make their selections and we sift through what is left.  Just like when Cut and Nutt were here.  Old habits die hard. 
I don’t have any emotional filters.  I operate in facts and reality and the reality is there is not enough lipstick on this earth to put on the pig we elevated to HC in that sham of a “search”.  You could argue the same thing was done with Freeze but he had a track record of success and he won big at Ole Miss.  Meanwhile Luke has a track record as well.  14 years as one of the worst coaches in D1.  Every group he has ever coached were absolutely the worst unit on the team.  But now he’s Mississippi Made and Ole Miss Red and Blue and he’s going to be the next Johnny Vaught.  News flash:  Johnny Vaught would take his damned statue down if he were still alive and remove any association to this pathetic excuse of a program that he built.  The mere fact that Luke is compared to him should make anyone who has any recollection of Vaught mad as hell.  That is the ultimate insult.  Hell we might as well compare Rosebowl to Faulkner since he has now published a book. 
Again I’m not going to let this bullshit parade do unchecked.  No amount of excuses or trying to explain away mediocrity is going to cut it.  Ole Miss deserves better.  Our fan base deserves better. 
I’m reminded of Jose Wales: “Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining”.

Themob wrote:

there really is no objective conversation to be had. there is very little chance anyone that would have come in and made any positive difference.  We would have been set back even further with a coaching change.  

my point if you would take the emotional filters off of this comment would be that we would not have been in any better shape had luke been let go.  We would have been in a worse position right fruuukin now if we were still in a coaching search.  we could have lost people like little or matthews who are staying because of matt.   We would have been looking for new oc and dc and most all new position coaches.  once we did hire a coach, we would have been more than likely in january with limited ability to go on the road or bring recruits in because of our ncaa sanctions.  

MOB - I respectfully disagree. Here are my thoughts (which aren't worth much, I know.....lol) on these things you've said:

1. We could have had an immediate upgrade at the HC position weeks ago. We could have easily gotten Bill Clark who can coach circles around Luke. The argument that we couldn't get anyone better or on campus quickly is 100% false, and is a narrative that the GOB's have pushed out there. This would not have been a long process of hiring a coach - guys were submitting their plans to Bjork because they wanted to be a HC at a P5 school. This is all reported openly as having happened. 

2. Why the hell would you allow players decide who the HC is going to be? Do you think there should be a team vote on who the coach should be, if a player should be disciplined, etc...? You do NOT let 18-22 year olds decide the fate of a program. The excuse of "if we don't keep Luke, guys will leave!" is bullshit. After my junior year in HS, our coach got fired. Players were upset and wanted to keep him and said, "I won't play for anyone else!". Of course, a new coach came in and brought in excitement to the program and we would run through a brick wall for the new coach. 

3. We know what we have with Luke - the biggest dumbass I have ever had to watch. The guy was the shittiest OL coach Ole Miss has probably ever had. Let's not pretend his family's connections didn't have anything to do with him having the job he has - that's just being completely dishonest to say that isn't true. Let's take just a one game sample for how horrible of a HC Luke showed himself to be by talking about the EggBowl:
a. The announcers started off praising Luke and pumping sunshine on how he is right for Ole Miss because of his family connections.
b. As the game went on, the announcers became even confused and wondering WTH Luke was doing:
   * There was the bizarre time out that Luke called. And the reason it was bizarre was if the thought process was that if Luke wanted the ball back to give us a chance to score, he would have called it a hell of alot earlier.    
   * The onside kick. Look, my wife hates football and hardly watches it. But when state was lining up to kick the ball she looked at me and asked, "This is when you have to kick an onside kick right? They don't have enough time left to just kick it off." Now, I would NEVER say my wife isn't smart, but when it comes to football, she simply isn't and couldn't tell you the difference between a split 4 and a nickel. But Luke was totally clueless and lost - he had zero idea what was going on. Of course State got the onside kick because he had our guys lined up for a normal KO return. 
   * I would have to go back and rewatch the game (what an ugly game that was hand wrapped and given to us), but there was a situation where Luke didn't have one of our units on the field and the announcers openly commented on how baffled they were by that.
c. You can go back and watch throughout the season for the head scratching moves by Luke. His refusal on several times to go for it on 4th and short when the team had nothing to lose. Piss poor play calling, taking his foot off the gas, etc... If we had even an average coach at best last season, we would not have lost the Cal game, and we wouldn't have lost the UPig game either. We should have went 8-4 last season - but Luke happened, and we gave away a couple games and got completely embarassed in other games.
d. Luke QUIT Ole Miss when Coach O was here because he didn't want to spend so much time recruiting. It was just too much work for him. 
e. He is VASTLY overpaid - he shouldn't even be making half of what he got signed on for. There is no justification in paying him over 3 million a year. Again, don't ignore how firmly entrenched his family is at Ole Miss. 

The FACTS are simple:
1. We could have gotten a significantly better coach at Ole Miss for less than what we are paying Luke.
2. We would have interjected EXCITEMENT in the program.
3. All of those empty seats you saw last season - it was because the fanbase knew we had a lame duck coach and wasn't interested. Now that he was forced on us as the HC, watch how much more money is loss and how many more empty seats there will be.
4. Recruiting is gonna suck because of the NCAA crap already, but when you have a lazy HC (I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that he is lazy), then it's just gonna make it much worse.

This is all why I'm beyond pissed off and will not just "accept" Luke being HC. I won't support it because it was all done in a very underhanded way. We could be much better off right this very second than we are now, but he was hired not because he's a good coach, not because he's a good recruiter, not because he was the best coach available, but because of his family's entrenchment at Ole Miss. And this program will suffer for it for a very long time to come. 

 

 

I'm sorry themob but you are flat out wrong on Luke.  Like the posters above have stated, it was a sham process.  He proved one thing this season and that is that he is as clueless at HC as he seems to have been at OL coach. 

I have no idea who is making the decisions or if someone is pulling strings behind the scenes but something isn't right at Ole Miss.  Ole mIss and Luke don't deserve our blind support.  That crap has gotten us the same crap we have had forever. 

The O hire was actually probably a decent hire for our program but we will never know bc he was sabatoged the entire time he was here.  One fact about O that can not be disputed was that he loaded our roster with near-SEC championship caliber talent.  Then we had the fiasco with Nutt being brought in and allowed to not even get to Oxford for several months.  That should have told us all we needed to know but everyone "in the know" on these meaaage boards were politicking for him until the very end.  Then we had Freeze get us to the top of the SEC but our admin screwed up the NCAA investigation.

There is a sickness at Ole Miss and we, as fans, can either go along with Luke as HC or do something about it.  Sadly, I think the only thing we can do is stop supporting the program until it hits rock bottom and the sickness is removed.  Even then, nothing will likely change.