Do you think that maybe the numbers aren't as bad because of the lockdown?  In the 2018-19 flu season, we had 34,000 deaths from the flu. We are now over 41,000 coronavirus deaths since January.....   That is with the lockdown and social distancing. How in the world can you say it is no worse? 

​I think You watch too much Fox News.  I'm usually a super fan, but they have been horrible with misinformation regarding COVID-19.

​Trump would not have wrecked the economy for no reason.  I never saw the million dead prediction, but I did see 200k+, which I think anyone can see how that could have easily happened had we not locked down.

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Sooper_Rebel wrote:

Fact: It's NOWHERE nearly as deadly as predicted
Fact: The death rate is much lower than predicted

The only reason we are backing out of the overreaction slowly is for political reasons. Politicians know that every death post-lockdown will be blamed on those that open up society. We were supposed to have over a million dead by now in the US. This virus is bad but not pandemic bad. It's not acting any worse than a bad seasonal flu.

Society never should have been shutdown to the extent that it was. The numbers never justified that kind of reaction. By locking down society, it created a crisis much worse than the virus.
 

Huh? Where see you getting the "a million dead in US" figures from?

COVID-19 has a much much higher fatality rate than just the flu.

Let me ask you this - if you had the option to enter a room with 99 other people, and were told that someone would come in and only kill 3 or 4 (or even 6 based on some reports) of the people in the room, would you enter that room? What about bringing your family into that room?

Social media has really done serious damage to society with the crazy anti-vaxxer/conspiracy theorists garbage going on.

Gravyreb wrote:

Do you think that maybe the numbers aren't as bad because of the lockdown?  In the 2018-19 flu season, we had 34,000 deaths from the flu. We are now over 41,000 coronavirus deaths since January.....   That is with the lockdown and social distancing. How in the world can you say it is no worse? 

​I think You watch too much Fox News.  I'm usually a super fan, but they have been horrible with misinformation regarding COVID-19.

​Trump would not have wrecked the economy for no reason.  I never saw the million dead prediction, but I did see 200k+, which I think anyone can see how that could have easily happened had we not locked down.

yes, the lockdown has helped the numbers stay low.  Do i think the initial numbers could have been a possibility?  yes, in a perfect storm maybe.  But i think if we would have done nothing, things could have ballooned into danger territory.  This is one of those instances where we will be skeptical that all the talk was hyperbole because we did not feel the worst case scenario.  But at the end of the day, we did need to shelter in place for a bit in order to understand the true potential.  In reality, we now know more and i feel next week we should be getting back to work and opening the US back up.  The longer this waits, the more of a potential of economic collapse will happen. 

The biggest thing to deal with is folks not taking this seriously.  Look at David Johnson, he was on the verge of death for weeks.  By the grace of God he is now progressing.  There have been so many who came down with this and have since recovered.  97% of the population has recovered.  only a small % of the population even gets it, it is hard to know what reality is because the media is such a piece of crap that what ever they say, people don't know if they are getting agenda or information.

With all that said, i will say this.  I was talking with a Dr who works in DC for the Gov.  With all the talk about china dropping this virus intentionally is the wild card for  the response.  They said that whether this was a manufactured disease or not is one thing that is still being looked at.  If you give china the complete benefit of the doubt, china at least lied about their numbers and how long this has gone on.  If they did not create this, it is highly likely they allowed their people to die and when they started to see the massive death toll, they allowed it to happen and spread willingly.  NYC is a huge portion of the total numbers for the US, you can't tell me China was able to mitigate this better than NYC?  

Now I will say this, I firmly believe this has spread much faster and affected many more people than reported.  I believe I have this months ago along with a number of people who I talked with that claimed they had it. My wife went to FL with a friend and their kids for a Cheer Championship in Jan.  Her friend we 99% believe had it and they shared a room for 5 days.  I believe when she came back, I came down with it weeks later.  

This is the point, the affects range from immunity (which we know believe genetics have a lot to do with it), to mild to severe all the way to death when combined with existing conditions and age.   Long story short, do i think the media amped this up?  yes, do i think we took the necessary short term steps yes.  Do i think we are now being a little to over cautious?  Yes, I think we should be able to start opening things back up, but people have to make sure they use common sense.  Even if you feel this is BS, the emotional response to this will shut your point of view down and make people amp up their over cautious response.  Play your part, show concern and make people feel like you care.  my neighbor has cancer and their family has not come out of the house in 5 weeks.  The husband leaves once every 4 days to get some groceries and he shuts the garage, ,takes everything out on a table, wipes it down, disrobes, let's everything that can sit out, sit out for hours and then brings it into the house.  This is the massive wave of response we have from one person to the next.      

I don't watch FoxNews or any other main media platform. I read studies and try to educate myself on the issues. I think that the lockdown has helped slow the spread however we never came close to overwhelming our medical system, which was the justification. The lockdown was never intended to keep people from getting it at some point. We probably all will. There are a lot of "experts" that think it was stupid to lockdown because we essentially made the virus last longer. There are arguments that we would have had herd immunity by this point and it would be almost over like in Sweden. There are also arguments the other way, so who knows. What I do know, however, is that there were over 130,000 jobs lost in Mississippi during the lockdown. The unemployment office is so swamped that they cannot keep up. People have been on hold for hours and hours and can't even get through. The lockdown essentially made one crisis into two. This is why Reeves is freaking out and trying to get the state back open again. The unemployment problem is going to dwarf the virus by miles. Mark my words.

I was correct on my facts list and you would be well to try to see this.

Is the virus bad? Yes

Is it a pandemic level virus? No

This should have been treated no differently than SARS, MERS, and the swine flus.
 

A wealthy connected friend of mine told me yesterday that he spoke with a friend of his who is a director of 3 nonprofit hospitals in Baltimore. They had 9 Covid 19 patients. Not dead in the morgue, PATIENTS. The MSM  IS THE ENEMY. Sure the virus exists but  it isn't Yellow Fever for God's sake. Use caution,get out and live!