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10/01/2017 12:15 pm  #1


Am I the only one who thinks...

That even if the whole escort services calls scandal that caused Freeze his job hadn't happened he'd probably still possibly lose his job for letting the program slip through ineffective recruiting just like Cutcliffe and Nutt? I mean, in three short seasons the defensive talent has withered and the team had already started bottoming out last year....I think when it's all said and done, the Freeze hire was only a short term solution which will have longer lasting negative effects.

Guess we'll never know for sure.

 

10/01/2017 2:40 pm  #2


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

He won many of the games by having a good defense.  He stopped recruiting defensive players for the most part and that was our down fall.  Longo hire was icing on the cake.

 

10/01/2017 2:54 pm  #3


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

Freeze psychologically changed after he had a good year and recruited the class with Nkimdiche, Tunsil, and Treadwell.  He allowed the success to go to his head and inflate his ego.  Stubbornly, he refused to change tactics about RBs in the SEC, and continued to recruit receivers and scat backs.  With the success came the fact that he thought he was infallible and could do not wrong.  His altercation with the NCAA prompted the investigator show Freeze who was the most powerful.  Freeze was too busy being a celebrity and worrying about his reputation instead of taking care of business as a head football coach.


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10/03/2017 9:10 am  #4


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

I don't think he would have survived this season for sure and I don't think our record with him as HC would be demonstrably better.  Our downfall began several recruiting seasons back when we missed on key defensive recruits.  Some ended up at Tenn, some at State, some out West.  Regardless all were key misses.  First few years Freeze was able to move players around to "hide" the lack of LB's we missed on five seasons in a row. Eventually that talent thinned out and we saw it rear its ugly head last season.  Most of the kids on defense this year played last year so it's hard to comprehend why guys thought we were going to be better.  This team lacks heart and toughness.  They don't like to hit.  
In the end Freeze spent too much time on himself and Ole Miss suffered because of it yet I continue to read comments from fans saying they would take him back when the ncaa mess is over.  Hell he brought that to our door.  How can that ever be forgotten?


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10/03/2017 9:26 am  #5


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

SCrebel wrote:

He won many of the games by having a good defense. He stopped recruiting defensive players for the most part and that was our down fall. Longo hire was icing on the cake.

he did not "stop recruiting D players".  He simply lost a lot of battles for defensive players.  particularly LBs.  we did ok signing DL and DBs.  No LBs wanted to play in our system.  We have had very few True LBs here at OM for like 8 years.  

Even when we would sign big time LBs, they ended up at DL.  Mainly because we could not recruit elite LBs with size.  We always signed the 200lb kids that we needed for speed in this system but when it came time to handle a 230 lb back, we would get whipped

Had we looked for a new DC 3 years ago, we could have found a big name coach and we would have still had big league talent on D which would have helped us recruit better. 

With all that said, Freeze is still a good coach IMO.  His problem was he got caught up in the web of lies he created by trying to hide his booty calls.  unless he stopped and allowed for those decisions to die out which does not look to be the case because he became so cavalier in his actions, he would have crashed and burned out at some point. 

it is all for the best at this point, the NCAA wanted freeze gone and judging by his back door activities, it needed to happen.  

 

10/03/2017 10:24 am  #6


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

Alabama and MSU targeted any player that we went after on the D side, especially at LB. Freeze had great commits up to signing day that would then sign elsewhere. He was very frustrated by this. If the NCAA crap wasn't on our heads, I feel confident that he would have kept succeeding in recruiting.


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10/03/2017 11:33 am  #7


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

Sooper_Rebel wrote:

Alabama and MSU targeted any player that we went after on the D side, especially at LB. Freeze had great commits up to signing day that would then sign elsewhere. He was very frustrated by this. If the NCAA crap wasn't on our heads, I feel confident that he would have kept succeeding in recruiting.

Yep.....once the NCAA places what amounts to an indictment on a program through suspicion of cheating that's the kiss of death.


He was panther quick and Leather tough.
If he figured that He'd been pushed enough.
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10/03/2017 1:55 pm  #8


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

Sooper_Rebel wrote:

Alabama and MSU targeted any player that we went after on the D side, especially at LB. Freeze had great commits up to signing day that would then sign elsewhere. He was very frustrated by this. If the NCAA crap wasn't on our heads, I feel confident that he would have kept succeeding in recruiting.

Once we had the NCAA uncertainty hanging over our heads, it became easy for opposing schools to scare blue chip recruits with predictions of harsh sanctions, staff turnover, etc. The NCAA was, in effect, recruiting for opposing SEC schools against Ole Miss.
 

 

10/03/2017 2:35 pm  #9


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

I just can't see how 5 years worth of investigations can be justified when most of the BS they pulled up in findings were in affect, self reportable bs 

If we had known this was what they were going to pull, could we have not started self imposing penalties 3 years ago?  

there has to be a statutory limit on how long these D heads can set up shop.  It cost us millions in defense, millions more in lost revenues and an invaluable amount of talent that either we missed on or never even got consideration from over the last few years because of this NCAA bs.   

The issue is also with state.  we lost a lot of battles with state because they were the source of the BS.  Simmons, Gay, Lewis, and others would have been difference makers on our defense.  All were locks with OM at some point until their thin character broke and they sided with the humpback.

Life sure is unfair, but it all comes around at some point

 

10/03/2017 2:42 pm  #10


Re: Am I the only one who thinks...

In addition to what we've lost in revenue and recruits due to the investigation cloud hanging over us, it'll turn into practically the death penalty if they give us a two year bowl ban.  If I'm understanding right, players can leave with the two year ban and I can see Shea and our high value receivers going somewhere else and I couldn't blame them.  If that happens, it could take years to recover.

 

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